19 Responses to At least 15 killed in mass panic at Germany’s Love Parade 2010

  1. Anonymous says:

    i think these massive raves must be taken out of the city. Its too crowded to begin with. If you look at coachella theres no problem getting "home", its flat and theres plenty of room. You can be out late as you want and still be save there. If raves can do it like coachella then I believe we have a greater chance of preventing these incidents.

  2. Kellen says:

    Well said.

  3. DJ PANL says:

    more and more people are going to be drugged out beyond belief rather than going for the music and everyone loses their minds and do shit like this. no appreciation for the music anymore…depressing

  4. Jeff says:

    appreciation or non-appreciation for the music has nothing to do with it. each of these tragedies are the direct result of the greed and/or incompetence of event promoters who choose to allow underage children into an environment where they don't belong (edc) and completely overbook events without making reasonable accomodations for the number of people in attendance (hard, love parade), all in the name of squeezing every last dollar out of the event

  5. Fishy says:

    The Techno Viking would not allow this to happen!

  6. Anonymous says:

    I think addressing the growing drug problem at these events should be at the core of the solution.

  7. Milksteak says:

    Truly sad thing to see.

    So many of these incidents can be prevented with proper planning and education of both organizers and patrons.

    It ain't the drugs – it's the pure incompetence of the users to handle themselves and promoters to handle the users.

  8. Anonymous says:

    @Fishy – Good job taking the exact same comment posted on digg.com and pasting it here like you're clever.

    Fact is there was only one entrance to the stages and that was through this tunnel. It was setup to be a disaster and even the event founder said the "tunnel lends itself to disaster". The people who ran this event should be charged for negligence and take responsibility for not being able to protect all the people they sold tickets to.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/24/germany-love-parade-trage_n_658216.html

  9. pHiLthy says:

    "The city is too small and narrow for such events."

    ^This^

    It's a simple issue of physics. High-volume pedestrian traffic flow and narrow spaces don't work. Drugs or no drugs.

    It's like people trying to get out of an elevator while people are trying to get in at the same time.

    Funneling mass amounts of people through any type of tunnel, corridor, entrance etc..is a disaster waiting to happen.

  10. slubot says:

    Cities are an issue, large parks and open fields would alleviate congestion and late night travel issues. Coachella and Burning Man, as well as the early 90's desert shows are good examples. Promoters are trying to help the music popularize and take a substantial root. Blaming greed is somewhat absurd, especially considering that LoveParade is free and HARD events are not overbooked and GR always tries to keep things safe (HARD Summer 09 was a civic control issue).

    This tragedy at LoveParade likely occurred because security forces (private and public) are not receptive to show-goers, and large groups of people react negatively to brute force and confusion.

    To really alleviate and recooperate from these tragedies, promoters and musicians need to start looking for security that is both receptive and understanding of young people with varying attitudes; show-goers need to understand their limits as well as take what the stereotype purports: love, empathy, understanding, and peace. Those are fine when the hot girl is giving you candy right? They should still be there when the goth kid is about to get stomped on or a prep is passed out in a bathroom. It's easy to blame, but promoters, musicians, and fans need to take responsibility for themselves as well as their friends and neighbors. We don't need more laws to force us to act that way, we need to respect and if we do that we won't need laws and force and brutality.

  11. Jeff says:

    @slubot okay, i'll concede the point with respect to love parade, which i didn't know was free. (really, though? that's incredible, makes it even more of a shame that the event won't continue.) i stand by my argument with regard to edc and hard, though. even if hard summer wasn't overbooked, it became a 'civic control' issue because proper accomodations weren't made for the sheer number of people in attendance. you see the same thing standing in line at edc, or monster massive for example – where the line to get in was literally stagnant for more than an hour in 2009. when you cram that many people together, all of whom know the longer they stand in line, the more music they miss, things can get ugly.

    i agree that eventgoers need to take more responsibility to take care of each other, but if you think that's any sort of solution, you're living in a dream world. when you're talking about crowds of the size at issue here, there's just no way to avoid the fact that some people are going to ruin it for everyone else. mob mentality kicks in, and its a quick road downhill from there.

  12. effects of sleep deprivation says:

    Very well said. I really do think the event promoters should not book the place so it is OVERCROWDED like edc. When I went I was pissed off I paid 75 bucks to not even be let into the kinetic field. They should pay attention to making the event goers having a better time.

  13. Tom says:

    It was the tunnel. I was at the loveparade in Essen (another city near Duisburg) and they used the hole city for the loveparade. Although there were 1,6 Million people, I never had the feeling that it was really crowded (and i'm, lets say: semi-claustrophobic). The people who planned and organized the loveparade in Duisburg are to blame, experts warned them and you really have to be dumb to think that a one way road through a fucking tunnel is enough for over 1million ravers (http://twitpic.com/289b9k). I know a lot of people that went over there (i live only 15miles away from Duisburg) and it really pisses me off that they could have been dead because some greedy people wanted to make some more money. Last year the city Bochum cancelled the loveparade because they didnt know how to organize such an event. Duisburg should have done the same.

    (sorry for my bad english)

  14. pHiLthy says:

    Tom, I get anxiety just looking at that picture.

    That is unacceptable.

    Stupid stupid stupid.

  15. DJ KNTCX says:

    Really unfortunate and sad. That picture is a trip in a bad way. Hopefully we won't see this happen again.

  16. Anonymous says:

    I was there, but we were not allowed to enter the festival area due to overcrowdedness at 5 pm. Lucky me, I might be dead now…
    After the Panic the city reminded me of a war zone, with hundreds of police men and cars and hundreds of emergency cars.
    Right now, 20 people died, some might die in the next days.
    Bad day for rave culture.

  17. stevie.e says:

    picture here, in case you missed it:

    http://twitpic.com/289b9k

    that picture honestly turns my stomach. thanks for posting that tom. thank you guys for all your input, please don't hesitate to return to this conversation to bring anything else up as it comes to you.

    has anything worse ever happened to dance music? I mean, besides a Lil Jon DJ set, of course.

  18. Anonymous says:

    These missives should stay, people just need to learn how to ****** act!

  19. The Music Void says:

    Chairman of the US chapter of the IMMF Steve Garven brought to our attention that parasite, chancer non-promoters are still at their lamentable game in the UK and have moved onto bigger scams namely live music festivals!

    Read more on this here:

    http://www.themusicvoid.com/2010/07/parasite-non-promoters-part-2/

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